IRC log of zope3-dev on 2002-03-01

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22:00:55 [zahn.openprojects.net]
topic is: reminder: the noise level should be kept low. Yes, we know it ain't easy on IRC, but remember, we have #zope and #python.
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Users on #zope3-dev: blackhole YET_ Metron[out] pest limi @guido JkrLaptop rdmurray @JimFulton dreamcatcher pobrien @zigg tav HammerToe Ipazuzu scipient SteveA|way hazmat srichter Martijn FarcePest cdesousa bigdaddy @drauku
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heh
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22:10:30 [SteveA]
JimFulton: I'm not getting any failures
22:10:46 [dreamcatcher]
SteveA: Zope3 collector, issue #13
22:11:13 [SteveA]
dreamcatcher: thanks. I'm on the supporters list, and I get an emails when there's a new item.
22:11:39 [dreamcatcher]
SteveA: just to make sure ;-)
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22:21:37 [srichter]
JimFulton: On my local branch?
22:21:50 [dreamcatcher]
instructions for anonymous cvs?
22:22:21 [srichter]
JimFulton: Yes, this is the reason, it is not in the main brnach yet. There is still some stuff I have not yet finished, especially in Formulator.
22:23:05 [srichter]
JimFulton: As SteveA said, it should work fine in the main branch.
22:23:52 [dreamcatcher]
ok, found it
22:28:46 [JimFulton]
No, I checked out from the main branch, Zope-3x-branch
22:31:48 [Metron[out]]
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22:34:56 [JimFulton]
Hm, the problem only occurs when I do a fresh checkout.
22:35:47 [JimFulton]
I don't get an error when I just update an existing checkout
22:36:04 [dreamcatcher]
what module do i need to checkout to get zope3?
22:36:27 [JimFulton]
cvs co -rZope-3x-branch Zope3
22:37:00 [JimFulton]
See http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/SettingUpAZope3Sandbox
22:38:36 [Metron]
JimFulton: did you update -P -d?
22:38:49 [JimFulton]
yes
22:39:09 [dreamcatcher]
thanx
22:39:21 [JimFulton]
but i didn't give those on the checkout
22:39:23 [Metron]
funny, I can't think of other reason that could make a checkout different than an update
22:39:42 [Metron]
you can't, -P -d are parameters to the "update" command
22:39:59 [srichter]
Did anyone else try a fresh checkout?
22:40:04 [JimFulton]
I bet it's because some directories moved.
22:40:10 [Metron]
-d create new directories that are in the repository but not in your working dir; -P, the reverse (delete old directories)
22:40:21 [srichter]
JimFulton: BTW, what did you get for errors?
22:40:28 [L-array]
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22:40:34 [JimFulton]
-P doesn't include empties.
22:41:07 [JimFulton]
from Zope.App.Formulator.Widgets.Widget import Widget
22:41:07 [JimFulton]
ImportError: No module named Widget
22:41:15 [srichter]
JimFulton: AHHHH!
22:41:29 [JimFulton]
:)
22:41:50 [srichter]
JimFulton: There was someweiredness with branches in this directory
22:42:09 [srichter]
Can we simply revive IWidget.py and Widget.py in Zope-3x-branch?
22:42:10 [JimFulton]
How did you move things?
22:42:20 [srichter]
under Formualtor/Widgets?
22:42:25 [srichter]
This will fix everyhting
22:42:37 [srichter]
well, I foolowed the CVS FAQ
22:43:01 [srichter]
but this Widgets directory did not work right, but I could not tell anything bad
22:43:18 [JimFulton]
Did you do cvs adds and removes? Or did you play with the linking facility
22:43:46 [srichter]
No, I simply tagged everything with my branch name and then used add and remove
22:44:05 [Metron]
cvs server: duplicate key found for `y'
22:44:07 [Metron]
what's this?
22:44:11 [srichter]
for some reason Widgets might not have been tagged correctly
22:44:59 [JimFulton]
You can revive Widget/IWidget if you wish
22:45:12 [dreamcatcher]
to anyone interested: about issue #13 on the collector: did a cvs checkout, and still segfault on ppc
22:46:51 [srichter]
Jim: Yeah, this would be a good idea
22:47:06 [dreamcatcher]
i have no time to update the entry right now.
22:47:11 [srichter]
Jim: This way all the tests will pass and Formualtor keeps working in the main branch
22:47:22 [dreamcatcher]
see ya on monday.
22:47:24 [dreamcatcher]
bye
22:47:28 [srichter]
bye
22:48:37 [srichter]
Jim: I hope I will be able to merge my changes at the end of the weekend; Until then I have to get XML-RPC working, Formulator polished and a basic XUL interface going (I am totally excited about XUL)
22:52:27 [srichter]
okay, I have to go...will be back later...
23:01:11 [pest]
jim, you there?
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23:02:53 [PaulE]
jim, you still around?
23:05:52 [Martijn]
PaulE: Jim is here doing a jam.
23:06:16 [PaulE]
ask him if he finished before my battery ran out, please.
23:10:14 [Metron]
http://collector.zope.org/ZopeNews/2 - Zope3 weekly news for March 01
23:10:20 [Metron]
post followups if you have something to add
23:12:23 [PaulE]
wow, you're awesome!
23:12:52 [PaulE]
btw, any interest in making plone the skin system for new.zope.org?
23:13:18 [Martijn]
PaulE: "Battery didn't last long long after you left"
23:13:23 [Martijn]
So, no :)
23:13:33 [PaulE]
did he get it saved before it died?
23:13:58 [Metron]
PaulE: yes :-) I have interest, and so does limi
23:14:01 [Martijn]
Jim shook his head.
23:14:06 [Metron]
limi: hello
23:14:21 [Martijn]
Apperntly he accidentially saved half the stuff when he hit F10.
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23:14:49 [PaulE]
i assume "shook his head" means shook his head no?
23:15:30 [Martijn]
Yup.
23:15:46 [Martijn]
As opposed the 'nodding' your head.
23:16:04 [PaulE]
shit shit shit shit shit.
23:16:41 [hazmat]
btw. if anyone is curious the logging works great ;)
23:16:46 [PaulE]
i can't get _any_ operating system to do power mgmt on that damn Dell.
23:17:03 [PaulE]
hazmat: tell the logging bot i said "shit".
23:17:13 [JkrLaptop]
PaulE: what model dell?
23:17:23 [PaulE]
inspiron 7000, i believe.
23:17:32 [PaulE]
under linux, it's pretty funny.
23:17:32 [hazmat]
PaulE: it will be up on the web, shortly.
23:17:42 [JkrLaptop]
hrmm.. I'm on a 7500 right now.. debian handles power management just fine :)
23:17:49 [PaulE]
i unplug AC and it locks up, though the battery is still working.
23:18:04 [PaulE]
win2k doesn't even turn on power mgmt.
23:18:08 [JkrLaptop]
wow
23:18:32 [PaulE]
for your 7500, did you have to upgrade the bios?
23:18:46 [JkrLaptop]
yeah
23:18:58 [PaulE]
also, does it work for standby or suspend (the one with the partition or the in-memory one)?
23:19:26 [JkrLaptop]
well, I nuked the suspend partition on accident.. but it will do standby
23:19:39 [JkrLaptop]
been too lazy to recreate the partition
23:20:00 [Martijn]
Maybe that's the key ;)
23:20:12 [PaulE]
actually i don't want the suspend partition, i want standby.
23:20:31 [PaulE]
at least, i want standby that doesn't also mean "complete lockup".
23:20:53 [PaulE]
maybe i need to remove "CompleteLockup=yes" from the apm scripts. :)
23:20:58 [JkrLaptop]
heh..
23:21:29 [JkrLaptop]
PaulE: you running with single or dual batteries?
23:21:40 [PaulE]
single.
23:22:16 [JkrLaptop]
hrmm.. ok.. I've had some trouble every once in a while with dual batteries.. but not often..
23:22:19 [JkrLaptop]
so that's not it ;)
23:22:26 [limi]
PaulE: [Plone] uhm, "yes"? (sorry about the response time :)
23:22:35 [PaulE]
hey, that's alright.
23:23:00 [PaulE]
i was pretty impressed at how my bush-league mockups could be converted to plone by lalo in an hour.
23:23:23 [Metron]
they were converted to look like plone - this is quite different ;-)
23:23:25 [PaulE]
i'm not that interested in the precise look-and-feel that i mocked up for new.zope.org.
23:23:27 [limi]
PaulE: it will be a case of minutes in the new release ;)
23:23:33 [PaulE]
but i am interested in the structure.
23:23:47 [PaulE]
hmm, explain...
23:24:04 [limi]
PaulE: we have Color Presets, for example.
23:24:32 [limi]
PaulE: but of course, changing the whole CSS is also an option
23:24:41 [Metron]
I just twitched your CSS and pasted stuff from limi's where I thought it would look good. Really using plone would be much better because color, widths etc are controlled centrally using dtml
23:24:58 [limi]
*ahem* HTML
23:25:00 [limi]
:)
23:25:09 [limi]
Plone has DTML support now, btw
23:25:20 [PaulE]
hahaha, plone.org doesn't work with Moz from Feb 28.
23:25:27 [Metron]
no, I really mean dtml :-) like: a {color: <dtml-var link-color>} or something
23:25:28 [PaulE]
jeez, mozilla just makes life fun.
23:25:29 [limi]
standard_html_header etc :)
23:25:37 [limi]
PaulE: I know ;)
23:25:44 [PaulE]
is it @import?
23:25:46 [hazmat]
blackhole: stop
23:26:41 [limi]
PaulE: I have enough to do at the moment :)
23:26:41 [PaulE]
yeh, no kidding!
23:26:41 [hazmat]
hehe...
23:27:14 [limi]
but since mozilla.org is going to use Plone, I suspect they will get those bugs fixed ;)
23:28:03 [PaulE]
i'm trying to fetch the release schedule from plone.org, but it ain't answering.
23:28:09 [PaulE]
any plans for advanced editing?
23:28:46 [limi]
yes ;)
23:28:54 [limi]
super sikrit ones ;)
23:29:03 [L-array]
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23:29:17 [limi]
we need to get the 1.0 release out first.
23:29:27 [PaulE]
oooh, a sikrit. doo tell.
23:29:48 [limi]
0.9.9 has suffered from Feature Creep Deluxe(tm)
23:30:06 [PaulE]
no doubt. :^)
23:30:09 [limi]
that's why there are all these PRx releases.
23:30:23 [limi]
runyaga used up all our version numbers ;)
23:31:10 [PaulE]
hmm, i can't remember my plone.org password. i tried to have it mailed to me, but got an SMTP zope exception.
23:31:28 [limi]
we should maybe have hidden Plone from view until 1.0 - people are using it in production systems, which is insane right now :)
23:31:42 [JkrLaptop]
release early, release often
23:31:44 [JkrLaptop]
;)
23:36:49 [limi]
upgrading is a bitch, and people wil have to do twice the work if they go for early versions :)
23:37:07 [drauku]
but that isnt the developers problem :P
23:37:59 [Metron]
0.9.9 is working
23:38:20 [Metron]
if I happen to use it in a production site, I *won't* upgrade it to 1.0 in the foreseeable future
23:38:29 [PaulE]
0.9.9, it isn't out.
23:38:36 [PaulE]
do you mean the branch builds?
23:38:44 [Metron]
sorry, then that should have been 0.9.8 :-)
23:39:00 [Metron]
but I mean, that's contractor pragmatism
23:39:26 [Metron]
CMF was already great by 1.0. If my customer needed it back then, so it would have had it.
23:42:10 [hazmat]
perhaps this dicussion could be had on #zope
23:42:24 [PaulE]
true.
23:42:30 [PaulE]
off i go...
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23:42:48 [Metron]
perhaps this discussion could not be had at all.