History for IntroductoryMeeting

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On 11 December 2001, about 20 people gathered in #zweb to talk about 
the ZOST project, and about ZopeOrgReorg.  

It was fairly disorganized, and it certainly gave me a better 
feel of how to conduct irc meetings in future (smaller groups, and
more email discussion and preparation prior to the meet).

However, a lot of useful ideas were aired, and as a first meeting, I think it was a success...

Agenda

  1. Goals of Groups

  2. Aims of zope.org site reorg

  3. Talk about Process

  4. Maybe look at roles

Goals of Groups

  - Enable new zope.org site responsibility to be shared with the community

  - *Provide a useful site*

    - Help developers find the info they need *quickly*
 
    - Provide tools and info that the community needs

  - Demonstrate capability of Zope on a large scale

  - Distribute the work of designing and maintaining the site across community

Aims of ZopeOrgReorg

  - Provide orientation for newbies

  - Encourage Developers 

  - Give people *solutions*

  - Enable people with different levels of commitment to contribute to Zope

  - Help developers find the information they need

  - Encourage drive-by contribution

  - Maintain clear, navigable organisation

  - What is a newbie?

    - never heard of zope

    - heard something about zope

    - knows HTML but not python

    - knows ZPT / DTML but not python / products

    - python programmer who doesn't konw zope
  
    - competent web programmer who doesn't know python or zope

    - those that can help themselves vs. those that need help

  - How to measure its success?

    - Active user accounts

    - Encourage feedback: did search answer your question?

    - "Focus groups"

Process

  - Learn from XP, although it's probably inappropriate for highly distributed effort

  - Not about how project works, but how project's goals are fulfilled

  - Must set standards of commitment and success

  - Use the collector at http://collector.zope.org/ZopeOrg/

  - Seb to draw up Requirements document.  Will represent 'ideal' vision as well as practical requests - e.g. to include i18n

  - Maxm offered to take responsibility for functional spec


  

"raw log of meeting":http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZOST/ZopeOrgReorg/zweb_20011211.log